Wednesday, January 2, 2008

I feel much better

After reading this. Am I the only one who never heard this before, despite observing it, living it, for as long as I can recall? This applies to everything - bike racing (take that know-it-all coaches), the workplace (pretty much pinpoints how self-evals result in boobs getting promoted while the competent remain a "good fit" right where they are), and just about every other fucking thing I can think of. I feel so much better about being an underachiever now. Thanks for reading.
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7 comments:

  1. gewilliJanuary 3, 2008 at 5:39 AM

    yeah...

    the more you learn the more you learn to shut the fuck up... but that isn't really the crux of the dunning-kruger effect now is it...

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  2. FELTSLAVEJanuary 3, 2008 at 5:52 AM

    Depends G-Willi, seems you and I spout off occasionally about buying local, is it better, do we knowo this?

    Solo - I better be the guy you hire to help you hire Colin....

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  3. gewilliJanuary 3, 2008 at 6:59 AM

    true... true yogurt boy...
    guilty as charged...

    gotta work on making sure when spouting off that we back up our spray with solid facts that demonstrate that we know what the fuck we are talking about...

    you can only do so much good alone, if you can share your inspiration and motivation and goals with others, that Vox Clamantis in Deserto may be effective in helping make a change...

    the balance between keeping quiet and spouting off is delicate...

    it may not seem like it but over the last 5-10 years i'm noticing i'm keeping my mouth quieter more often, or at least tempering my comments when i do (sometimes - right cause like trackrich says, there are absolutely no absolutes)

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  4. Colin RJanuary 3, 2008 at 10:54 AM


    it may not seem like it but over the last 5-10 years i'm noticing i'm keeping my mouth quieter more often, or at least tempering my comments when i do (sometimes - right cause like trackrich says, there are absolutely no absolutes)

    This paragraph makes me really wish I could read some gewilli necx list posts from about 10 years ago.

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  5. Il BruceJanuary 3, 2008 at 11:54 AM

    I thought this was basically the Peter Principle.

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  6. zencycleJanuary 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM

    The peter principle states that in any organization, an individual will rise to the level of his incompetence. The dunning-kruger effect is a component of the peter principle, probably better described as mutual corollaries.

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  7. solobreakJanuary 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM

    I don't know Brucie, the PP is just the end result. Conventionally, since management is generally accepted to be incompetent in the first place, they've been blamed with continuing to promote the incompetent. Dunning-Kruger is more about the competent knowing (and focusing on) what they don't know. The other side of it, the incompetent only focusing on what they do know, may indeed be the cornerstone of organizational incompetence, but that's still a different issue.

    And zencycle has already commented while I'm commenting...

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